Attention: for all the members plz

[the fly boy]

peace be upon you all
I hope everyboy's doing fine
I'm gonna notice all of you for a very important topic
which is the sin under the name of Love which the west and unfortunately succed in spreading his poisons in our nation
We are a nation, whom Allah honoured through Islam, and in it (Islam) we seek honour, and if we seek it in something else, Allah will dishonour us
and I want to tell you what a think this wrong relationships whom we named Love
for the boys :
by talking with this girl about this stuff you are violating her family's bonds
you are abusing her father n you are abusing her borthers
this is a huge sin in our relegion
and I think all of you know that
and think that if this girl is cheating on her father and her brothers with you
she will definitely cheat on you someday
and like what the quote says
" what comes around goes around"
for girls :
the only loser in this relationship is you
you have to keep the trust that your family and your parents put on you
.
coz I c saw here many poems
this is sad and this is mad the other is heartbroken and...and....and
this is coz of lack of faith in our hearts we lost our relegion instructions we deviated from the right path
and the only advice I give you
SEEK AND LEARN MORE ABOUT YOUR DEEN
.

[Black_Poison]

I DON'T BELEIVE IN LOVE
but thank yo anyways

[the fly boy]

Anytime brother
^_^
Love is not what everybody think now
like romance story
love in Islam av too many side
n the love btween men n women comes
after marriage

[Black_Poison]

I'm a girl
Yes that's what i say too

[the fly boy]

Sorry Sister
I forget
hhhhhhh
Forgive me

[Hillin]

A nice topic"congrats"
I agree with you brother for most you 've said
but do you think if two persons ,i mean ofcaurse man and woman,love each other for extand that they didn't surpass God's limit and they kept their feelings inside them we may consider this relationship forbidden or a sin as you said!!!!really I just wonder
I would be glad to see your view here
thank you in advance

[the fly boy]

1st thx sister 4 passin by
2nd
well
I'm not in a position tht allows me to give u an answer about tht
coz I don't av much of informations of this
but sister
you know tht the woman is like a jewelry in Islam so tht we av to respect her she's sth
sacred
and it's not allowed only 2 the man who's Allah has written 4 her
If this jewelry get through many ppls hands will 4 sure lose her value
and if ya don't want cross Allah's limites stay away from this kind of things
this things made by the western coz of the empty soul condition of em
and we praises to Allah honoured us by Islam and it's the greates gift tht anyone of the humankind would have
it is matter of thinking like we av to re-think again
is this things is not false
thn why we hide it from ppl
why can't I go to ma parents like
" hey dad I met this girl I like in school "
or the girl
"dady I met a wonderful boy in school"
wht u think ur parents respond
I'm sure u'll stay in the street tht night
hhhhh
u r not allowed to go back home again
if u get confused or u want some answer
go open the Quran and find ur answers
coz u can find the answer of any single Q

[the fly boy]

I forget to add
u have to consider tht if u leave something for Allah's face only
Allah will reward u wit the best tht he will give all ppl
this is in the meaining of Al-Hadith

[Hillin]

Thank you brother
you’re right for the extend that one will get married the person who Allah has chosen to him/her but , love doesn’t mean marriage,it may lead to wedding as it may not or even may come later that’s to say after marriage
Respectfully, what I think and perhaps can be sure that it comes soon or later and the person will find himself living a love story spontaniously”we’re human being it ‘s our nature”.
for the examples you've mentioned,yeah you’re absolutely right coz this what we’re living nd what we’re grown up with but does this mean that I can’t say to dad my feelings toward somebody because it is forbidden .For me,it’s becoz tradition bound.I do not do coz simplyI respect my dad so you can say that is a kind of showing respect it is the same for men.
Well…this is my point of view
And ofcaurse I’ll be glad to read you comment on
Thank u in advance

[Karim_Rap_4_life]

Yeah Brother I agree with all what you've said I agree with you even if I have written two poems about Love and I know that it's a sin but sir when you reply to someone at least search for reasions or what kind that his love is.........for my case is not how you think i'm not the one who cheat others and it's about a girl who was my fiancée but now i don't care about any one nor her nor her family and I'm not searching for no girl untill I get married that's my ethics I'm honor i don't play on girls that's my principal and I want to say something brother .......I don't care and I don't believe in love any more cuz no body deserve love except GOd......Wife.....Religion...parents.....kins and you know other things and thats' all thank you sir for your interesting topic

[ابتساام]

I do not have any comments I have read your responses and you are you said a lot of this I say that there are many types of love, perhaps the human emotionally, but should not be allowed to these emotions that lead him to sin, but I do not mind if love was true of both parties and constant, but Where do we find this?

[ابتساام]

speaking of confidence or the like
everyone has the right to live the experience to be a crucial turning point in his life but did not get angry with and no need to speak the antithesis of the human heart I don't mean love
may be you are here to fool yourself
don't get me wrong
thx

[Foufa23]

Wat do u mean by Love??????

[the fly boy]

Hillin
dear sister
u just answer urself
u can't tell ur parents coz u respect em u respect ur father tht u can't tell him such a thing
which means tht this kind of things wasn't in out society b4 this is not our tradition
wht proves tht it's not a good things
and search about tht
i'm here only to give u an advice coz I c tht this wrong
but the choice back to u
everyone of us is responsable of his or herself
and thank you sister

[the fly boy]

Brother
belive me this topic is not 4 u it's 4 all n I wouldn't write this only coz i love you in Allah brother
I wanna just advice my dear brothers and dear sisters
u wanna ma advice
whtever this bond u had wit this woman now it's end means this woman is no longer ur busniness
move on
n hey Allah says
عسى أن تكرهوا شيئا و هو خير لكم
maybe Allah wants something more better thn this
coz u know if Allah closes a door in ur face it is coz he knows it will harm u or he will open a way much better other 4 u
.
I repeat again this is just coz I love you in Allah's face and wht hurts you it hurts me 4 sure
and you know wht the prophet Mohamed peace be upon him said tht the belivers r like one body if any part got hurts all the body will feel the same

[the fly boy]

Ibtissam
Sure sister live your experiences n do whtever u want 2 do
but by u sayin tht u mean like
I can go now drink wayne smook maybee i'll try to do some tattoos
coz I'm livin ma experiences n this ma rights
I agree
Sure
even Allah tells u to do whtever u want u
u know why
Allah says
لا اكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي
Allah says ok here the wrong n the rights
Allah show us the right n the wrong n u do whtever u want
u wanna the heaven n the happy life follow ma orders
if no just stand up watching n this will be a witnesses in the judjement day
n in other part says
و لا تطع من أغفلنا قلبه عن ذكرنا و اتبع هواه و كان أمره فرطا
and there's no such a true love b4 marriage n all the crap
u heard of the story of the dialogue between a boy and a girl
the boy : sorry I have to leave
the girl : do you love me ?
the boy : yes I do
the girl : so why u r leaving me
the boy : I love Allah more
u know this girl who's the boy walkin wit witout her family's permission will be a mother one day
n wht if u r wit ur mother in the street walking n u meet a man u'll find out tht he used to be ur mother's boyfriend wht if she had a dozen of byfriends b4
how do u feel
??
won't u think of ur father's feeling
??
well there was no such a true love b4
look how our parents n grandparents livin in happiness n joy
Sister who hold on on Allah
Allah will never let him down
yh it's a human nature feeling but I av to controle maself b4 it will leads me to the wrong way
if we'r talkin abt human nature feeling
why 4 exemple in Ramadan don't dare to eat or drink even if we re so hungry and so thearsty
need 4 food n Water is really need 4 humans

[the fly boy]

Brothers and Sisters
our hearts can never be more purest thn oue beloved prophet Mohamed peace be upon him
our feellings can never be honest as our beloved prophet Momamed peace be upon him
well our prophet never even shake hand wit a woman which is not a Mahram of him
we are not allowed to put our hands in not Mahram woman of us
wht then abt falling in as u said true love
???
don't adapte the relegion tht it will be alright with ur fancies
there's limittes
n if u don't agree wit tht
Allah don't stop u
go find some other god n relegion tht it is alright with ur fancies
u r not obligated

[Hillin]

Hillin


dear sister
u just answer urself
u can't tell ur parents coz u respect em u respect ur father tht u can't tell him such a thing
which means tht this kind of things wasn't in out society b4 this is not our tradition
wht proves tht it's not a good things
and search about tht
i'm here only to give u an advice coz I c tht this wrong
but the choice back to u
everyone of us is responsable of his or herself

and thank you sister


Thank you brother again
Well ofcaurse respectfully to your comment but as i've noticed that you believe in tradition as a good source of establishing our djudge about something
However, for me tradition may be good in some sides as well as it can be bad"blind"and thanks to Allah who offers human with a mind which has the ability to distinguish btw what's forbidden and what's allowed...the good vs the bad
well,it remains my point of view and it's my pleasure to hear your comments on

[the fly boy]

Ok sister Hillin
we and you know 4 sure tht our religion Islam is a way of life,right
?
and our religion never change
Islam in the past is the Islam in the present and of course Islam will not change in the futur
and if something we used to c it not good at the past and now we c it as a good thing called
temptation
I give you this Qs
n I wanna here ur answer
is your heart or my heart or every single muslim is as pure as the heart of our prophet peace be upon him and Omar Ben Khatab or Aboubakar Sidek
??
are our feelings is as honest as the feelings of em
??

[Hillin]

Ok sister Hillin

we and you know 4 sure tht our religion Islam is a way of life,right
?
and our religion never change
Islam in the past is the Islam in the present and of course Islam will not change in the futur
and if something we used to c it not good at the past and now we c it as a good thing called
temptation
I give you this Qs
n I wanna here ur answer
is your heart or my heart or every single muslim is as pure as the heart of our prophet peace be upon him and Omar Ben Khatab or Aboubakar Sidek
??
are our feelings is as honest as the feelings of em

??

I think there is just a misunderstanding here;
Ofcaurse Islam as our religion will stay as it is what I would say and I think you didn't get from my previous MSG very well is that
tradition is something diffrent from religion
islam ever and never change whereas tradition may be
none can be perfect or can be as our profet Mohammed"peace and blessing be upon him"nd i don't deny that
I just wanted clarify one thing which was love is not a sin as you saw it
i would give you an example for instance;khadidja;MohamedéPBMBU"s wife;asked him to marry her
coz she loved him
therefore I focus on the idea that"love is not forbidden unless it surpass Allah"s limit"t
this is my opinion and ofcaurse I respect your"s
i"ll be glad to see your comment on

[the fly boy]

you didn't answer ma Qs
+
yh she asked him to marry him
but did they live a love story
??
NO
I didn't say all love is a sin
Love b4 marriage is sure a sin
If a man really loved a woman he shouldn't start talkin 2 her coz it's wrong
ya love this girl if true go engage her
there's no love between a man or a woman witout a bond

[Hillin]

Sorry Brother fly boy
but i'm not a girl whom easy to be convinced
this is my nature
i said that coz I know that you"ll take a gun and you "ll shoot at me
"ohhh my god;a troublemaker here;i"ve to kill her
this is my nature i don't know but I can't accept information that is far away from logic
So you've to be patient and sure about your knowledge
Glad to read your comments

[the fly boy]

But you still didn't answer me
Hillin
don't worry i'll thew maself from the 16th stage b4killing ya
hhhhhhhhh

[Hillin]

you didn't answer ma Qs
I did you can check again"btw lines"s
yh she asked him to marry him
but did they live a love story
contradiction
here broth with:s
Love b4 marriage is sure a sin
and for
there's no love between a man or a woman witout a bond
it"s your point of view and I respect it

[the fly boy]

Well sister I asked a yes or no Qs
n u didn't answer me yet
n here read wht some of great teachers of Islam says abt it
فو الذي ألف القلوب... ووحد الخطوب انى احبك فى الله... ولكن عفوا وعذرا فانا لا أحب فيك معصيتك... وقد وجدت أن انشغالك بالعشق والهيام احد الأمراض التي وقع مكروبها على قلبك... وحتما سيستولى على عقلك... وينتشر جرثومها فى أنحاء جسدك... فاستمع إلى كلامنا يامن غبت عن الصواب... والا سيعلمك الدهر أن قلبك بعشقك للحرام كذاب... انى لا أريد الإ الإصلاح ما استطعت.... وما توفيقي الإ بالله عليه توكلت واليه متاب.
العشق هو:- الوقوع فى المحبة... بحيث يستولى المعشوق على قلب العاشق... وبدايته نظرة إعجاب طفيفة تتدرج بالعاشق حتى لا يخلو قلبه من تخيل معشوقه وذكره والتفكير فيه بحيث لا يغيب عن خاطره وذهنه.
حكم الحب في الإسلام:- قال أهل العلم إن المحبة أنواع متعددة... فمنها ما هو حلال نافع بل هو واجب... كحب الفرد لأبيه وأمه وزوجه... ومنها ما هو مستحب كمحبة الفرد لصديقه لله وفى الله وليس لأجل المصلحة الدنيوية... ومنها المحبة الضارة المحرمة شرعا... وهى المحبة التي تقع بين جموع الشباب والفتيات... والذي يطلق عليها أدعياء الحضارة ( الحب العاطفي ) ويطلق عليها علماء الشرع ( عشق الصور ) وسماه العلماء بعشق الصور لان العاشق يحفر صورة معشوقه في عقله... وقال علماء الأمة إن الحب العاطفي حرام اذا كان فى بدايته... اى إحساسا يتخلل إلى نفس العاشق... والمقابلات.مة اشد حرمة اذا كان مختلطا بالخطابات الغرامية والمكالمات الهاتفية... والمقابلات ...
وقد ينتقل بالعاشق إلى مقام الكفر لان العاشق قد يحب معشوقه أكثر من حبه لله... وها نحن نسمعها على السنة الشباب فها هو احدهم يقول (أنا أعبدك ) وأخر يقول لمعشوقته ( انى أحبها أكثر من كل شيء ) ولا تعجب من ذلك فان ذلك موجود فى أوساط الشباب وعلامته أن يقدم العاشق رضاء معشوقه على رضاء ربه... وهذا هو حال من وقعوا فى عشق الصور او بالمعنى الشبابي من وقعوا فى الحب العاطفي.
أقوال في الحب العاطفي:- قال ابن القيم رحمه الله:- ( إن من المعلوم انه ليس فى عشق الصور مصلحة دينية لا دنيوية بل مفسدته الدينية والدنيوية أضعاف أضعاف ما يقدر فيه من مصلحة)
وقال أخر:- ( العشق الحرام سم مميت لأفئدة الكرام )
وقال أخر:- ( العشق الحرام بمنزلة الهادم للأبدان... وان وقعت فيه قتلك وان أكثرت منه قتلك)
وانشد أخر قائلا: ( خليلي إن الحب فيه لذاذة... وفيه شقاء دائم وكروب )
وقال صاحب كتاب الكبائر والنساء: (ام العشق الحرام هو أن تعشق المتزوجة رجلا غير زوجها لما له من صفات تثيرها... وأيضا عشق الفتاة البكر التي تعشق رجلا غريبا سواء إن كان مهتما بها او غير مبالي بأمرها فهو كبيرة من الكبائر )

قال ابن حجر الهيثمى: ( العشق إما مباح كعشق الرجل لزوجته او أمته... وأما محرم كمن غلب عليه هوى محرم )
وأظن انه قد تبين لك آخى القارىء من هذه الأقوال حكم الحب العاطفي... وسنختمها بهذا القول... وهو قول احد العارفين:- ( لان ابتلى بالفاحشة واقع فيها خير إلى من ابتلى بعشق امرأة يتعبد لها قلبي وتشغله عن ذكر الله )
أيها العاشق الولهان:- تدبر العواقب... واحذر قوة المراقب... وخف من عقوبة المعاقب... واحذر من حفر الحب الخائب... فانه والله للنار شر طالب... أين الذين قعدوا فى طلب الهيام وقاموا وداروا على بنيان قصر العشاق النادمين وحاموا... فيا اقل ما لبثوا وانقص ما قاموا... لقد وبخوا أنفسهم فى عقر قبورهم على ما أسلفوا من العشق الحرام ولاموا.
أسباب الوقوع فى الحب العاطفي:-
1- فراغ القلب من الإيمان بالله وعبادته وكما قال الشاعر
اتانى هواها قبل أن اعرف الهوى *** فصادف قلبا خاليا فتمكن
2- النظر إلى ما حرم الله: ولقد قال احد الحكماء
(الصبر على غض البصر أيسر من الصبر على الم ما بعده )
وقال الشاعر:
كل الحوادث مبدؤها من النظر... ومعظم النار من مستصغر الشرر
كم نظرة بلغت من قلب صاحبها... كمبلغ السهم بين القوس والوتر
وقديما قيل: ( النظرة تولد إعجاب ثم يولد الإعجاب خطرة ثم تولد الخطرة تولد فكرة ثم تولد الفكرة شهوة ثم تولد الشهوة إرادة ثم تقوى الإرادة وتصير عزيمة حازمة ثم تقوى العزيمة فيقع العشق ولابد ما لم يمنع منه مانع )
3- نسيان الموت وعدم تذكرة مراقبة الله:- وتلك هي المعصية الكبرى... والكارثة العظمى... فكما نقول دائما وسنظل نقول إن نسيان الموت ومراقبة الله كان السبب الاساسى فى صدا قلوب الناس... ووقوعهم فى الشهوات... فلو تذكر العاشق الموت وقت هيامه بمحبوبة... ما عشق حراما قط. وكذا لو تذكر شاب الجامعات الذين يتسامرون ضحكا وسرورا وعشقا مراقبة الله... ما فعلوا ما يفعلون.

[Hillin]

don't worry i'll thew maself from the 16th stage b4killing ya
hehehehehehehehehehehehehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhe e
but you're fly boy so you can fly and be safe
I"m the victim
any way really I'm glad coz I got the apportunity to discuss such topic with you
and to get another point of view about love
thank you brother

[the fly boy]

Oh yeah
I forget tht I can actually fly then I guess u r the poor one here
hhhhhhhhh
but we r not done yet
where r u goin
hhhhhhh

[the fly boy]

I forget 2 add this btw
الانشغال بحب المعشوق وذكره عن حب الله تعالى وذكره... لقد اخبرنا ابن القيم رحمه الله... ( لا يمكن أن يجتمع فى القلب حب الرحمن الأعلى وعشق الصور بل هما ضدان لا يتلاقيان).

[Hillin]

حكم الحب في الإسلام:- قال أهل العلم إن المحبة أنواع متعددة... فمنها ما هو حلال نافع بل هو واجب... كحب الفرد لأبيه وأمه وزوجه... ومنها ما هو مستحب كمحبة الفرد لصديقه لله وفى الله وليس لأجل المصلحة الدنيوية... ومنها المحبة الضارة المحرمة شرعا... وهى المحبة التي تقع بين جموع الشباب والفتيات... والذي يطلق عليها أدعياء الحضارة ( الحب العاطفي ) ويطلق عليها علماء الشرع ( عشق الصور ) وسماه العلماء بعشق الصور لان العاشق يحفر صورة معشوقه في عقله... وقال علماء الأمة إن الحب العاطفي حرام اذا كان فى بدايته... اى إحساسا يتخلل إلى نفس العاشق... والمقابلات.مة اشد حرمة اذا كان مختلطا بالخطابات الغرامية والمكالمات الهاتفية... والمقابلات ...
وقد ينتقل بالعاشق إلى مقام الكفر لان العاشق قد يحب معشوقه أكثر من حبه لله... وها نحن نسمعها على السنة الشباب فها هو احدهم يقول (أنا أعبدك ) وأخر يقول لمعشوقته ( انى أحبها أكثر من كل شيء ) ولا تعجب من ذلك فان ذلك موجود فى أوساط الشباب وعلامته أن يقدم العاشق رضاء معشوقه على رضاء ربه... وهذا هو حال من وقعوا فى عشق الصور او بالمعنى الشبابي من وقعوا فى الحب العاطفي.
أقوال في الحب العاطفي:- قال ابن القيم رحمه الله:- ( إن من المعلوم انه ليس فى عشق الصور مصلحة دينية لا دنيوية بل مفسدته الدينية والدنيوية أضعاف أضعاف ما يقدر فيه من مصلحة)
وقال أخر:- ( العشق الحرام سم مميت لأفئدة الكرام )
وقال أخر:- ( العشق الحرام بمنزلة الهادم للأبدان... وان وقعت فيه قتلك وان أكثرت منه قتلك)
وانشد أخر قائلا: ( خليلي إن الحب فيه لذاذة... وفيه شقاء دائم وكروب )
وقال صاحب كتاب الكبائر والنساء: (ام العشق الحرام هو أن تعشق المتزوجة رجلا غير زوجها لما له من صفات تثيرها... وأيضا عشق الفتاة البكر التي تعشق رجلا غريبا سواء إن كان مهتما بها او غير مبالي بأمرها فهو كبيرة من الكبائر )

thank u brother fly boy
yeah I read it but plz could you bring me the name of the teachers who said the sayings
i"m interested since really it"s an interesting topic
congratulation

[the fly boy]

Sister
you may go read abt
ابن القيم
اب حجر الهيثمي
u know just ابن القيم is enough sister
and sister just to show u how this is serious read wht the prophet peace be upon him said
عن معقل بن يسار يقول : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " لئن يطعن في رأس أحدكم بمخيط من حديد خير له من أن يمس امرأة لا تحل له " .

رواه الطبراني في " الكبير " ( 486 ) .

والحديث : قال الألباني عنه في " صحيح الجامع " ( 5045 ) : صحيح .

C sis this is just touching a woman the nwht abt fallin in love wit

[أمل روسيكادا]

1st.. I want to thank u sis Hillin n brother"the fly boy"you really enrich the topic which is really intersting and it's important to discuss such topics nowdays
for me ,I totally agree with you brother "the fly boy" ...you explained everything ...I don't have something to add so thank you

[the fly boy]

thx sister Amel
I appreciate ur passing by

[Hillin]

Sister
you may go read abt
ابن القيم
اب حجر الهيثمي
u know just ابن القيم is enough sister
and sister just to show u how this is serious read wht the prophet peace be upon him said
عن معقل بن يسار يقول : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " لئن يطعن في رأس أحدكم بمخيط من حديد خير له من أن يمس امرأة لا تحل له " .

رواه الطبراني في " الكبير " ( 486 ) .

والحديث : قال الألباني عنه في " صحيح الجامع " ( 5045 ) : صحيح .

C sis this is just touching a woman the nwht abt fallin in love wit




really I appreciate your efforts
thank you brother
your proof convinced me and your way of taking conversation i mean your patience with me
make me appreciate you more
really I"m grateful for talking to u
May Allah blesses be upon you always
best of Wishes

[the fly boy]

No need sis
u r always wlc
^__^

[.kiki]

My dear brother, how can I thank you enough?

you were the first and you'll probably be the only one who took a step and created such a topic to try to change the bad things he saw.. may ALLAH bless you and make everyone see what you meant here.. it's such an honor to read these words here, to know that there is at least one person who still have strong beleif in his heart, to see that there is someone who wants a change.. we ask ALLAH to guide us all and to show us the right path.. to help us be strong and not fly with every wind..

I deeply thank you

[the fly boy]

You are welcome sister
it's my duty and it's every single muslim duty
we are brothers ans sisters and what we love for ourselves we have to love it for our brothers and sisters
also
May Allah guide us all