أنا لست ملاكا أنا بشر [الأرشيف] - منتديات الجلفة لكل الجزائريين و العرب

مشاهدة النسخة كاملة : أنا لست ملاكا أنا بشر

نورة

2011-06-14, 16:16

محمد سوق

2011-06-14, 16:20

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

نحن لست ملائكة نحن بشر ، الكثير من الناس من يستعمل هذه الجملة لتبرير معاصيهم ،او بعض الناس يستعملونها من اجل اقناع غيرهم فى السقوط فى ما حرم الله وكأن الله خلق الملائكة للعبادة والبشر فى ما حرم متناسين الاية الكريمة ( فأما من طغى *وءاثرا الحياة الدنيا *فإن الجحيم هى المأوى )

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2011-06-14, 16:22

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المشكلة ليست في الخطأ ، بل المشكلة في تعمد الخطأ وتبريره بالخزعبلات والكذب و سمكة أفريل .

شكرا اخى محمد
انا لم انتهى من الموضوع بعد ارجو تعديل الاقتباس فى ما بعد

التلميذ.

2011-06-14, 16:22

mg fkd N$l oùhx ; odv hgoùhwdk hgj;hf;k

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ugfhgd lh tiljd tdih ;hg;

marissa1993

2011-06-14, 16:24

شكرا لك ع الموضوع المهم بتشكرك ع المجهود الرائع فعلنا انا افتخر بقرائتي لهذا الموضوع المميز بوركتي

نورة

2011-06-14, 16:34

mg fkd n$l oùhx ; odv hgoùhwdk hgj;hf;k

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ugfhgd lh tiljd tdih ;hg;
ارجو تعديل الكتابة بارك الله فيك حتى نفهم ما كتبت

محمد سوق

2011-06-14, 16:36

التلميذ.

2011-06-14, 16:46

لا داعي لتعديلها لأنني متأكد أنك ستتقلين علي ههههههههه

شحرا على الموضوع الرايع

ريكا ايموا

2011-06-14, 17:18

شكــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــرااااااا ااااااااا

ahlam 27

2011-06-14, 17:24

شكرااااااااااااااااااااااااا

رابحي نـائل

2011-06-14, 17:56

طبعا الذين لا يعترفون بخطأهم هم قوم ظعاف الشخصية يحبون الانانية لأنفسهم .يحبون الاستئساد على الاخرين ...وكأنهم معصومون من الخطأ لا يجدون تبرير لخطأهم ...لكن تجده في نفسه يؤنبه ضميره حتى الموت ............
http://www.djelfa.info/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=25916&stc=1&d=1308060885
اللهم بلغنا رمضان

nedjah2

2011-06-14, 18:00

بالتوفيق .................

محمد سوق

2011-06-14, 18:03

طبعا الذين لا يعترفون بخطأهم هم قوم ظعاف الشخصية يحبون الانانية لأنفسهم .يحبون الاستئساد على الاخرين ...وكأنهم معصومون من الخطأ لا يجدون تبرير لخطأهم ...لكن تجده في نفسه يؤنبه ضميره حتى الموت ............

http://www.djelfa.info/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=25916&stc=1&d=1308060885

اللهم بلغنا رمضان

بارك الله فيك أخي الفاضل

رابحي نـائل

2011-06-14, 18:06

بارك الله فيك أخي الفاضل

بوركت أخي ........أحييك تحية الكرام
http://www.djelfa.info/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=25916&stc=1&d=1308060885
اللهم بلغنا رمضان

ملاك الامل

2011-06-14, 18:08

بارك الله فيك على الموضوع

نورة

2011-06-14, 18:18

شكرا لك ع الموضوع المهم بتشكرك ع المجهود الرائع فعلنا انا افتخر بقرائتي لهذا الموضوع المميز بوركتي
وان سعيدة ان وجدتى فى موضوعى ما يروق لك
بارك الله فيك ...شكرا جزيلا

ذبُــولْ ~

2011-06-14, 18:34

أحسنتـِ القول غاليتي

فعلآ المشكل ليسَ في إرتكاب الخطــأ بل في عدم الإعتراف به

بآركَـ اللهُ فيـكـِ

لكـِ ودّي

نظام الفوضى

2011-06-14, 18:36

يقال: الندم توبة

-الإقرار بالخطأ اوتماتيكيا يليه الإستغفار

وليس الإستعلاء والتبرير

بورك فيه من موضوع

amirouche09

2011-06-14, 18:39

شكرااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااا

نورة

2011-06-14, 18:49

الحمد لله على إتمام الموضوع ، و الحمد لله أني من عباد الله الذين يستغفرون لذنبهم ويعترفون بأخطائهم حتى ولو اضطررت الإعتراف بها أمام الملأ
الطامة الكبرى تجد البعض يقول أنا حبيب رسول الله عليه الصلاة والسلام و يخفي سواد وجهه بقوله السيدة خديجة كانت كذا وكذا ، سبحان الله ولا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله فهل أنت مرأة مثلها ؟!
الإعتراف بالخطأ فضيلة لكن أصبحنا في عصر ممنوع أن تصارحني بخطئي و لا تقل عني أنني أخطأت وإلا سأعاقبك وعليك أن تجاملني وإلا ...... من أخطائنا نتعلم
مازالت افكار اريد اضافتها ولكن التعبير خاننى ههههههههه
ندعو الله ان يبصرنا بعيوبنا ويعجلنا من السباقين لطاعته وعبادته
بارك الله فيك

نورة

2011-06-14, 18:52

لا داعي لتعديلها لأنني متأكد أنك ستتقلين علي ههههههههه

شحرا على الموضوع الرايع
شكرا لمرورك الرائع
بورك فيكم

شراطي يوسف

2011-06-14, 18:57

ندعو الله ان يعيننا بعونه

سهم14

2011-06-14, 19:13

صدقت.

مشكورة.

نورة

2011-06-15, 09:19

شكـــــــــــــــــــــــر quote]quote]

[quote=ahlam 27;6278246]شكرااااااااااااااااااااااااا
العفو اختاى بارك الله فيكم

عائشة واحلام

نورة

2011-06-15, 09:43

نورة

2011-06-15, 14:29

بالتوفيق .................
شكرا جزيلا بارك الله فيك

نورة

2011-06-15, 14:31

بارك الله فيك على الموضوع
وفيك يبارك الرحمان شكرا جزيلا

نورة

2011-06-15, 14:33

أحسنتـِ القول غاليتي

فعلآ المشكل ليسَ في إرتكاب الخطــأ بل في عدم الإعتراف به

بآركَـ اللهُ فيـكـِ

لكـِ ودّي

احسن الله إليك حببتى فلب القول ما قلتى شكرا جزيلا وفيك يبارك الرحمان

نورة

2011-06-15, 15:42

يقال: الندم توبة

-الإقرار بالخطأ اوتماتيكيا يليه الإستغفار

وليس الإستعلاء والتبرير

بورك فيه من موضوع

وايضا يقال التائب من الذنب كمن لا ذنب له
اما اصحاب الإستعلاء والتبرير الله يهديهم
شكرا جزيلا لك
ربى يعاونك فى ما انت مقدم عليه

عادل الجلفاوي

2011-06-15, 15:51

مبارك لموضوعكم المذكور في عدد البداية الرابع على انه افضل موضوع في هذه الايام مبارك لكم

نورة

2011-06-15, 15:57

مبارك لموضوعكم المذكور في عدد البداية الرابع على انه افضل موضوع في هذه الايام مبارك لكم
شكرا لك أخى عادل كم انا سعيدة بهذه المفاجئة
إذا كان هناك اي اضافة تريد اضافتها فلابأس
الله يعطيك ما تتنمى

نورة

2011-06-15, 16:16

شكرااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااا
العفو بارك الله فيك

نورة

2011-06-15, 17:56

ندعو الله ان يعيننا بعونه
ان شاء الله وبعونه يستجب الدعاء
شكرا جزيلا وبارك الله فيك

أبو خالد سيف الدين

2011-06-15, 18:06

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

نحن لسنا ملائكة نحن بشر ، الكثير من الناس من يستعمل هذه الجملة لتبرير معاصيهم ،او بعض الناس يستعملونها من اجل اقناع غيرهم فى السقوط فى ما حرم الله وكأن الله خلق الملائكة للعبادة والبشر فى ما حرم متناسين الاية الكريمة ( فأما من طغى *وءاثرا الحياة الدنيا *فإن الجحيم هى المأوى *وأما من خاف مقام ربه ونهى النفس عن الهوى *فإن الجنة هى المأوى ) صدق الله العظيم ، نعم الملائكة لا تخطئء ابدا، وهناك من البشر من هم معروفون با التدين ولكن عند الخطأ يلجأ لهذه الكلمة انا بشر انا لست ملاكا يا اخى اعترف بخطئك واستغفر ربك وتقرب إليه بطاعات آملا ان يغفر لك ولا داعى للجوء لمثل هكذا حجج او اعذار حتى لا ينطبق عليك المثل (عذر أقبح من ذنب )

وفى الأخير ندعو الله ان يبصرنا بعيوبنا ويجعلنا من السباقين لطاعته وعبادته
امين امين

لا أرى أي حرج في مقولة: أنا لست ملكاً إنما بشر
(و أعني هنا المؤمن المعروف بالتدين كما أشرت, و ليس العاصي المُصر على المعصية)
أتيتِ بالجواب دون السؤال و كان الواجب دراسة السبب
الذي يدفع الانسان أن يجيب بهكذا جواب هو كثرة اللوم و الأعتقاد الخاطئ عند بعض الناس أن المؤمن يجب أن لا يخطئ أبداً و لو أخطأ يشار إليه بالأصابع و يتهم في دينه و يوجه إليه سيل من العتاب, لماذا فعلت هذا ؟ ما كان يجدر بك أن تفعل هذا ... أوبقت نفسك .... إلى أخره

أعتقد أن هذا ليس عذراً بقدر ما هو تواضع و نفي للعِصمة
و أتوقف عند هذا الحد حتى لا نخوض في مسألة القضاء و القدر

والله أعلم

نورة

2011-06-15, 18:19

صدقت.

مشكورة.

ربى يحفظك شكرا لك

رابحي نـائل

2011-06-15, 21:33

نتمنى ان يأنبهم ضميرهم قبل فوات الاوان ...شكرا جزيلا
بارك الله فيك

سعدنا بكرم وشجاعة تعقيبكم

http://www.djelfa.info/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=25977&stc=1&d=1308167586
اللهم بلغنا رمضان

نورة

2011-06-15, 21:51

لا أرى أي حرج في مقولة: أنا لست ملكاً إنما بشر
(و أعني هنا المؤمن المعروف بالتدين كما أشرت, و ليس العاصي المُصر على المعصية)
أتيتِ بالجواب دون السؤال و كان الواجب دراسة السبب
الذي يدفع الانسان أن يجيب بهكذا جواب هو كثرة اللوم و الأعتقاد الخاطئ عند بعض الناس أن المؤمن يجب أن لا يخطئ أبداً و لو أخطأ يشار إليه بالأصابع و يتهم في دينه و يوجه إليه سيل من العتاب, لماذا فعلت هذا ؟ ما كان يجدر بك أن تفعل هذا ... أوبقت نفسك .... إلى أخره

أعتقد أن هذا ليس عذراً بقدر ما هو تواضع و نفي للعِصمة
و أتوقف عند هذا الحد حتى لا نخوض في مسألة القضاء و القدر

والله أعلم

احترم رأيكم اخى الكريم ولكن هل لا ترى فيها حرج حينما تستعمل فى الدعوى للمعاصى على اساس اننا بشر لسنا ملائكة
شكرجزيلا لإبداء رأيكم

راوية

2011-06-15, 23:03

نورة

2011-06-16, 11:31

السلام عليكم
مع أنك بشر أنت مسؤول عما تقول و تفعل .. ولما توَّجك سبحانه بنعمة العقل ؟
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الحوتي التلمساني

2011-06-17, 22:14

السلام عليكم
خير الكلام ما قل و دل ...
مشكورة على الإفادة أختي الكريمة

نورة

2011-06-17, 22:40

السلام عليكم
خير الكلام ما قل و دل ...
مشكورة على الإفادة أختي الكريمة
وعليكم السلام
اشكرك جزيل الشكر على المرور العطر والمشاركة فى موضوعى

syrus

2011-06-17, 23:41

lamine96

2011-06-18, 08:34

شكراا جزيلا

نورة

2011-06-18, 09:30

نورة

2011-06-18, 09:31

شكراا جزيلا
العفو اخى الكريم بارك الله فيك

أبو خالد سيف الدين

2011-06-18, 10:06

تخيل أن جواب آدم و حواء عن سؤال ربهما لماذا أكلا من الشجرة كان أنهما بشر و ليسوا ملائكة ؟؟؟ هل كان مثل هذا الجواب يليق بآدم عليه السلام و هو من أسجد الله له الملائكة ؟؟ ... صحيح أننا لسنا ملائكة لكن الله كرمنا و من العيب أن نبرر أخطائنا بمقارنة أنفسنا مع الملائكة ...

"و ناداهما ربهما ألم أنهكما عن تلكما الشجرة وأقل لكما إن الشيطان لكما عدو مبين قالا ربنا ظلمنا أنفسنا وإن لم تغفر لنا وترحمنا لنكونن من الخاسرين"

لسنا أحسن من آدم و حواء الذين لم يبررا معصيتهما كما فعل الشيطان "قال ما منعك أن تسجد إذ أمرتك قال أنا خير منه خلقتني من نار و خلقته من طين" ... و استخدام عبارة أننا لسنا ملائكة ربما قد تصلح في معرض نفي القداسة و العصمة عن بعض الناس الذين قد يغلو فيهم أتباعهم أو في معرض التماس الأعذار لغيرنا حين يخطئون , لكنني أرى انه من غير اللائق أن نستخدمها لصالحنا و لتبرير أخطائنا ...

هذه المقولة تأتي عفوياً لنفي العِصمة و ليس لتبريرالمعصية, و أمر مفروغ منه أنه ليس للأنسان أي حجة يحتج بها يوم القيامة أمام الله, لكننا بشر نخطئ و نصيب, نعصي و نتوب
لذالك فإن المثال الذي ذكرته عن نبي الله أدم لا يتناسب مع نقاش الموضوع و لا يليق بأبونا آدم عليه السلام أن يحتج على الله, فنحن نتحدث عن هذه المقولة في سياق حديث المؤمنين لبعضهم البعض
فأبونا آدم عليه السلام أقام الحجة على رسول الله موسى عليه السلام بالقدر في الخروج من الجنة عندما قال لموسى: أتلومني على شيء قد كتبه الله علي قبل أن يخلقني؟, فهل يُفهم من الكلام أنه تبرير للمعصية ؟ (حاشى لله)

syrus

2011-06-18, 22:43

هذه المقولة تأتي عفوياً لنفي العِصمة و ليس لتبريرالمعصية, و أمر مفروغ منه أنه ليس للأنسان أي حجة يحتج بها يوم القيامة أمام الله, لكننا بشر نخطئ و نصيب, نعصي و نتوب
لذالك فإن المثال الذي ذكرته عن نبي الله أدم لا يتناسب مع نقاش الموضوع و لا يليق بأبونا آدم عليه السلام أن يحتج على الله, فنحن نتحدث عن هذه المقولة في سياق حديث المؤمنين لبعضهم البعض
فأبونا آدم عليه السلام أقام الحجة على رسول الله موسى عليه السلام بالقدر في الخروج من الجنة عندما قال لموسى: أتلومني على شيء قد كتبه الله علي قبل أن يخلقني؟, فهل يُفهم من الكلام أنه تبرير للمعصية ؟ (حاشى لله)

أحترم رأيك ... و لأننا لسنا في معرض إصدار الأحكام و لان الامر يتعلق بعبارة قد نختلف حول مدلولاتها فلا بأس أن نختلف ... أما الحديث الذي ذكرت جزء منه فلست متأكدا من مدى صحة نسبته للنبي صلى الله عليه و سلم

أبو خالد سيف الدين

2011-06-19, 02:14

أحترم رأيك ... و لأننا لسنا في معرض إصدار الأحكام و لان الامر يتعلق بعبارة قد نختلف حول مدلولاتها فلا بأس أن نختلف ... أما الحديث الذي ذكرت جزء منه فلست متأكدا من مدى صحة نسبته للنبي صلى الله عليه و سلم

و أنا كذالك أحترم رأيك أخي سيروس, و الحديث صحيح رواه البخاري في كتاب باب القدر

نورة

2011-06-19, 13:12

شكرا جزيلا

kawther-95

2011-06-19, 13:41

باااااااااارك الله فيك على الطرح المتميز اختاه

نورة

2011-06-19, 15:08

باااااااااارك الله فيك على الطرح المتميز اختاه
وفيك يبارك الرحمان
اسعدنى مرورك شكرا جزيلا

مولاي قدور

2011-06-19, 15:41

شكرا موضوع رائع

نورة

2011-06-19, 16:00

شكرا موضوع رائع
وانا بدورى اشكرك جزيل الشكر
وبارك الله فيك

syrus

2011-06-19, 16:29

و أنا كذالك أحترم رأيك أخي سيروس, و الحديث صحيح رواه البخاري في كتاب باب القدر

أعلم أنه في صحيح البخاري لكنه من الآحاد و أحاديث الآحاد ظنية الثبوت و لهذا فهي لا تلزمني خصوصا في العقائد ... لكن ليس هذا موضوع نقاشنا هنا و أكرر احترامي لرأيك

نورة

2011-06-19, 23:25

أعلم أنه في صحيح البخاري لكنه من الآحاد و أحاديث الآحاد ظنية الثبوت و لهذا فهي لا تلزمني خصوصا في العقائد ... لكن ليس هذا موضوع نقاشنا هنا و أكرر احترامي لرأيك
اجدد شكرى شكرا جزيلا

أبو خالد سيف الدين

2011-06-20, 02:18

أعلم أنه في صحيح البخاري لكنه من الآحاد و أحاديث الآحاد ظنية الثبوت و لهذا فهي لا تلزمني خصوصا في العقائد ... لكن ليس هذا موضوع نقاشنا هنا و أكرر احترامي لرأيك

هكذا أنت مجبر على ترك أكثر من نصف السنة الشريفة
إذن لا تأخذ كذالك بأحاديث الأحاد في العبادات و الفقه و المعاملات

khaloussa

2011-06-20, 09:12

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khaloussa

2011-06-20, 09:13

موضوعك في قمة الروعة

نورة

2011-06-20, 09:18

موضوعك في قمة الروعة
شكرا جزيلا اختى والأروع مرورك الذى اسعدنى

syrus

2011-06-20, 10:04

هكذا أنت مجبر على ترك أكثر من نصف السنة الشريفة
إذن لا تأخذ كذالك بأحاديث الأحاد في العبادات و الفقه و المعاملات

موضوع الآحاد و السنة له عدة تشعبات لا اعتقد ان من المناسب مناقشتها في هذا الموضوع ... تحياتي

نورة

2011-06-20, 22:56

بارك الله فى الجميع

اياد27

2011-06-21, 22:21

بـــــــارك الله فيــــكِ ،،،،

نورة

2011-06-21, 22:26

بـــــــارك الله فيــــكِ ،،،،

وقيكم يبارك الرحمان شكرا جزيلا
واهلا وسهلا بك من جديد فى المنتدى

نورة

2011-06-23, 22:35

نحن بشر ولسنا ملائكة

محمد سوق

2011-06-23, 22:54

عدنا مرة أخرى لنشجع قلم الموضوع

نورة

2011-06-23, 22:58

عدنا مرة أخرى لنشجع قلم الموضوع

الله يحفظك و يجازيك الله كل خير اخى الكريم
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